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Ultra HD 3D Movies aren’t going to be hitting the new Blu-ray 4K format

by on January 27, 2015
 

Stephan Jukic – January 27, 2015

The Blu-ray Disc Association has hammered one more nail into the coffin of 3D movie entertainment. Based on a recently leaked Powerpoint slide from an organization meeting, it seems that the finalized specs for the new line of 4K Blu-ray discs that are going to emerge later this year won’t be designed to transfer 3D in UHD resolution.

However, other parts of the slide do indicate some otherwise great news for the new 4K discs.

The leaked image was first posted by Japanese technology website AV Watch and indicates that the upcoming Blu-ray disc format and all media which support it will be able to handle ultra HD content up to a resolution of 3840 x 2160 pixels and will do so at frame rates of up to 60 fps.

Furthermore, the discs and their media players will support much wider color gamuts than what’s currently available with Blu-ray: the specific specs indicate BT2020 color space and 10-bit color depth. We can also look forward to a peak video bit-rate performance of 100Mbps.

All of these details are excellent as far as normal 4K media go and they should bring some truly smooth, high quality entertainment to the homes of those who buy the new 4K Blu-ray players and discs when they go on sale, but, for those who love 3D viewing at home, at least according to the leaked document slide, there simply isn’t any mention of 3D being available in ultra HD resolution.

The leaked Blu-ray UHD documentation

The leaked Blu-ray UHD documentation

Of course, a lack of mention in a single slide doesn’t constitute hard proof of anything but it certainly is suggestive and all the more so when we consider the problems that 3DTV has faced since it was pushed on consumers a few years ago.

Almost since its arrival, 3D has shown itself to be a weak selling point for home entertainment and so far is looking like it will definitely go the way of the dodo.

However, for those few fans of 3D who still cling to the technology, the Blu-ray rumors sparked by the leaked Powerpoint certainly could be cause for more worry.

They indicate that users of the 4K Blu-ray discs will basically be given a choice between watching movies in 4K at 2D settings or getting to enjoy 3D in the movies it’s available for only at Full HD resolution. This still isn’t a bad compromise but it’s a far cry from the full UHD immersion that a lot of 4K TVs are designed for given their own internal 3DTV capabilities and even the inclusion of 3D glasses with some models.

Oddly, the HDMI 2.0 that most newer 4K TVs come with –which the new generation of Blu-ray players will certainly also include—is more than capable of handling the needed bandwidth for transferring 4K and 3D at the same time between media player and UHD TV. However, the declining overall popularity of the 3D format and the need to wear silly glasses while enjoying it is likely what contributed to the 3D exclusion for Blu-ray, assuming that it’s true to begin with.

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  • Jawaburger
    January 28, 2015 at 11:09 am

    I am sure there are 3D fans out there, but I have yet to meet one in person. Having worked in a high end Stereo and TV store for over ten years, I have heard “…and I don’t need that fancy 3D stuff on my new TV.” Too many times to count. From that perspective, it is no big loss. I own a nice TV that is 3D capable and several 3D blu-rays and I always end up watching the 2D version.

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    • Keith Howell
      January 24, 2017 at 1:46 am

      I love 3d and I only buy 3d Blu Rays and I always watch them in 3d I will never buy a 4k player for this reason

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      • Vaschamp
        February 3, 2017 at 1:21 pm

        I agree I love 3D and the only 4K Blu-ray Disc that include the 3D version which makes total sense to me. They keep releasing the same titles in different formats and want people to buy this stuff over and over again.

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    • DMG
      February 6, 2017 at 2:33 pm

      I enjoy watching my new LG 65 inch, 4k, 3D tv, using passive glasses, linked by my 4k 3d blue-ray player. I do wish I could get both 4k and 3d on a disk.

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    • Steve
      May 30, 2017 at 5:21 pm

      I’m a 3D fan and don’t apologize to anyone. .You will have your laugh and joy when it goes out. But, I’ll still decry that I’m a 3D fan, love all of the 3D movies and have all of them at my home with my silly glasses. Love it!

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      • J-Bob
        June 12, 2017 at 3:40 pm

        I agree. I love the 3D as well. I thought for sure it would be a bigger hit, as the new 3D technology is really pretty immersive. I know you get better resolutions from a 4K disc, but there is something about watching these heavy CG movies in 3D. Most action movies I would prefer 4k and most CG animated movies I prefer my bluray 3D. I do really wish they would start releasing a 4k/3D set. There have only been a few movies that have done this for some reason. I didn’t even really want to own Suicide Squad, but purchased it just to support the dual pack.

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  • Nicholas Routhier
    January 28, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    Well, to begin with, there is no 4K 3D content (barely any original 4K 2D content) from the studios and they’ve assured us that there would be none for the foreseeable future. Also, the future is streaming and we’ll be more than happy to stream 4K 3D content when and if it becomes available. Lastly, we’ve got tens of thousands of people registered to our 3DGO! service and its growing daily. There are much more 3D lovers out there than people would believe. With 13 of the 16 highest grossing movies of 2014 being 3D movies and more than 1.8B$ in North American box office generated from 3D tickets, there have to be more than a few people liking 3D movies or there’s one very passionate billionaire spending all his money and time going to see these movies 🙂 I’ll opt for the first option…

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    • M Britton
      January 29, 2015 at 2:59 am

      Streaming does not compare to the actual 4K (or even 1080p) discs. Streaming has its problems even with a high speed internet source. I am up to 25 Mbps and still get “blocking” in images. That ruins a great picture! I will ALWAYS prefer an actual recorded disc over crummy streaming anyday! And I have downloaded many movies that I would not hesitate buying the blu ray once its released.

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      • Nicholas Routhier
        January 29, 2015 at 6:09 am

        True, current streaming is not on average equivalent to BD. But that is quickly changing with HEVC and increasing bandwidth. With our new Sensio 3D/4K format, a 9Mbps stream is equivalent to its BD 3D equivalent (from our tests). Never bet against bandwidth and compression 🙂 If you want to know what’s going to happen to video, just look at what happened to audio ten years before. Moving to tape than optical than streaming… always a good predictor 🙂 But for the optimal quality, physical media will always be the golden reference! Adding HDR, wide color gamut, Dolby Atmos and who knows what in the future, physical will always be the best approach. For everyday watching and for average consumers, streaming will be the dominating means of delivery in my opinion. Cheers!

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      • adrian vinersan
        April 28, 2016 at 7:29 am

        25Mbs is consider high speed internet”” where you are ?

        i have 300Mbs (35MB)/s at 5 euro/month so i could see streming 4k 3d in the future (though even so, a true 4k, 3d, MA would take a looot of time even at 500Mb/s or 1000Mb/s)

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        • Stephen
          Stephen
          April 29, 2016 at 6:54 pm

          Hello Adrian, by the standards of what’s needed for streaming 2D 4K UHD content with HDR and even live 4K content with current compression methods used by the cservices that offer this type of entertainment, 25 to 35Mbps is considered to be enough in most cases, assuming your ISP is honestly providing that speed instead of just promising it but delivering a lot less in actual regular practice. Also, for the vast majority of the World’s population, 300Mbps or higher is a speed which simply isn’t available from any provider in their area.

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      • Bound2thefloor
        September 11, 2016 at 10:44 am

        25 Mbps..? No wonder you are having pixel issues! I install for TWC, & 50 Mbps is what most of my subscribers get, but those people aren’t even using it for streaming. People who do all their TV watching via streaming go w/ 100 Mbps, & that’s what I use. I never have any problems. I wouldn’t even bother having Internet if all I got was 25 Mbps.

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      • Gavin
        May 2, 2017 at 6:11 am

        I agree with you the quality of the discs are way better than streaming

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    • Steve
      May 30, 2017 at 5:23 pm

      I’m one of them! LOVE 3D. Get all the DVD’s I can and sit home every Friday night with my pizza watching 3D movies!! Love them. Viva 3D!!! Sorry the DVD’s are getting more scarce. I’m now getting them from a vendor in Greece. I have an Oppo that plays all regions. Love 3D!

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  • Andre Floyd
    January 28, 2015 at 8:24 pm

    As far as I know, there have been no theatrical releases of 3D movies at greater than 1080 resolution. This relates to the bandwidth and/or display mechanisms used in today’s digital cinemas. As such, the lack of mention in the leaked presentation simply mirrors the current state of the art for movie production and does not imply that the spec has omitted something which currently exists.

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    • Tom Bailey
      March 1, 2017 at 11:44 pm

      I know this is an old post, but I assumed you mean no (released to consumer disc) theatrical versions. Because the versions shown in theaters are actually better than 1080p. For instance IMAX is better than 4k resolution last time I checked. But as far as released to consumer disc, yes… no such 3D luck. And this is now 2 years after this post originated. Sad Sad world we live in.

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      • Gavin
        May 2, 2017 at 6:15 am

        There is not many cinemas that show movies in proper 4k because some cinemas use 2 separate Christie 2k projectors that over lap each other to just brighten up the image that’s all so it’s cheating it’s not actually 4k

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  • M Britton
    January 29, 2015 at 3:04 am

    I have a Samsung 4K 3D TV and I love the 3D movies (upconverted of course) from my Oppo blu ray player. I would be satisfied with 4K disc and players with no 3D as long as the standard blu ray disc offers the title in 3D. I enjoy the beauty that 3D films have on my Samsung. The images blow away anything in its 2D form. I just hope 3D blu ray (1080p) is not going away anytime soon and I hope TV manufacturers do not stop adding 3D as an option. This is a selling point when I purchase my next 4K TV in the near future.

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  • Mark Ringwald
    January 29, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    To add to what Floyd and Nicholas have said, a 3D movie projected on a Sony (and others) 4K Cinema projector is simply 2K left eye + 2K right eye. The disadvantage for viewing 3D content on an HD set has been that you have had to find a way to cram a total of 4K content on to an HD screen, not so with UHD. The result is much better looking 3D.

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  • galaxiefilm
    January 30, 2015 at 10:22 am

    “Silly” 3D glasses?

    Honestly, I thought we’d grown past damning the glasses today.

    Can we please bury Roger Ebert once and for all? Please?!

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  • jim
    October 7, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    Wow no hfr 3d ? Thats it for me then.

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  • Movie watcher
    March 1, 2016 at 8:13 am

    I love watching 3D movies at home.

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  • Jim D
    March 20, 2016 at 2:50 pm

    I’m disappointed. Also having a really tough time finding a new TV with 3D. A shame because I love the 3D technology.

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  • Dennis
    May 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    I have a 4K 3D Samsung (js9000) and it turns any source into 3D. 4K or not. I watched The Martian 4k HdR bluray in 3D and i dont know if it stayed 4K native, but it sure as heck looked INCREDIBLE

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  • Michael D.
    June 7, 2016 at 11:46 am

    Wow! Talk about sad. I’m really feeling it. I have three 3D TV’s. A 32″ Vizio, a 40″ Samsung 4K, and a 70″ Sharp Aquos Quatron. The Sharp being the oldest. After having numerous Movie Nights with lots of family and friends most were pleasantly surprised by what 3D wasn’t. Initially the expense associated with 3D glasses still is stuck in a lot of peoples minds. When you ask them how much do you think a pair of glasses cost they often say 3 to 5 times what they actually cost today. Of course most of you know I’m referring to the cost of the active glasses as they have always been more expensive than the passive glasses. Before our Movie Nights some family and friends thought if they bought a 3D television they’d have to wear the glasses all the time to watch the 3D
    television. And yes we have both passive and active 3D formats. Though the latter looks the best to me especially the upscaled
    4K. It’s going to be so sad if 3D goes the way of plasma tv. Here’s a thought if some HDTV manufacturers were to stand outside
    movie theatres that had just shown a 3D movie they’d be surprised at how many people that just watched a 3D movie still have misconceptions about 3D at home. Here’s another one. Could some one tell me. If 3D is so outdated why are more than 85% of
    all movies shown being released in 3D? Why are theatres still playing them? And last but not least why are movie studios still
    spending time and money on them.

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    • Brian F.
      February 2, 2017 at 12:00 pm

      I have 4 pairs of 3D DLP-Link glasses that are fantastic. They hold a charge long enough to watch at least a dozen movies. They were only $25 each. Not expensive by any stretch of the imagination. I have a 3D 1080p DLP projector going to 150″ screen and over 140 3D titles. I love 3D and will NOT be moving to 4K any time soon if they continue to ignore my favorite format.

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  • Bronson
    June 11, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    The only movie that i know of that was filmed in 4K 3D was THE HOBBIT trilogy. The 3D version on Blu-ray is the first and only 3 movies that require two discs to watch the film in 3D. So i couldn’t imagine how many discs would be needed to see The Hobbit as it was intended to be shown. 3D isn’t a dead feature that’s for sure, i think its quite an engaging visual format to give it a bit extra. For instance you wouldn’t have gone to see Avatar in 2D, everyone went to see it in 3D. With passive technology LG being the first to bring this to the home had its flaws and god did it shit all over the active 3D finally has its chance with 4K televisions. Soon we will be looking past discs i believe and going to some sort of solid state drives with the movies on them. Keep 3D alive! Or just wait until the glasses free 3D comes back out of the warehouses after they’ve sold enough of the currents version they need to flog off haha.

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  • Kevin Caughman
    October 31, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    My wife just bought me a 4K player for my Samsung 4K tv; I was excited until I tried to play a “regular” 3D movie and the format is not supported. I’m not looking for new 4K 3D content, I just want to be able to play my old stuff on my new player. Do I have to have two players?

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    • Stephen
      Stephen
      October 31, 2016 at 8:14 pm

      Hello Kevin, first of all, what type of 4K player did she buy? Secondly, what sort of Samsung 4K TV are you using? You should keep in mind that none of Samsung’s 2016 4K TVs support 3D of any kind, so this might be a factor if you have a model from this year.

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  • Vaschamp
    February 3, 2017 at 1:54 pm

    It Kills me when I read articles that say 3D is dead yet darn there 90% of the theatrical releases are indeed 3D. Me personally I love watching movies in 3D and I only purchase 3D Blu-ray. People say “oh people are walking away from 3D because you have to wear glasses” lol really well why is that a issue all of a sudden because since the invention of the format you had to wear glasses. If anything killed the 3D vibe it was the expensive price of active 3D glasses when these sets started coming out along with the fact that there was no content to watch. then they moved on to 4k and folks didn’t run to jumped into a 4k TV because again there was no content. Now they want to sale folks on HDR man please. if you want to sale 4K TV’s don’t take away consumer options like 3D. people have now gotten to the point where they have a respectable library of 3D Blu-rays and no one wants to buy the same movies over and over again so do what some have already started doing. package the 4K Blu-rays with a 3D version a regular Blu-ray version and a digital download 4Disc in one package and guess what you’d sale more TV’s and Disc. Stop taking away the consumers choice. everyone doesn’t want to stream online. hell everyone doesn’t have the internet. I’m not worried about 4k3D just yet I think that’s a ways out if ever but it sure would be the ultimate combination.

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    • Brian F.
      March 20, 2017 at 1:31 pm

      Good to see more people commenting in here that are fans of the 3D format like myself. I have been seeing a few 4K w/ 3D Blu-Ray packages come out so I am hopeful the 3D (1080p) format will stick around. And like stated by others. If 3D was a dying technology, why all the virtual reality goggles, Oculus, Google Cardboard, 3D VR Gaming headsets for PlayStation 4, etc… Wouldn’t the developers of these platforms be like…Oh, nobody wants to wear that crap on their heads….blah…blah…?

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  • AsH
    March 19, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    3D is here to stay and the haters will keep on hating, but guess what 3D is alive and thriving! All movies should release with all formats in one package! For instance, 4k,3D and Blu ray should always be sold in one package and then have the obsolete old schoold format, DVD as a standalone package for the cheapster customers that dont mind low quality.

    I will bet that anyone watching Blu-ray 4K or 3-D is deafly not using the DVD… Why are DVD’s still included in Blu ray packages? Get rid of that crap and release DVD’s alone or scrap them like VHS!

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  • Brandon
    October 26, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    I’m also a fan of 3D and refuse to buy anything else unless it simply wasn’t done in 3D. I imported Blood Wars and Resident Evil because they canceled the 3D versions in the US.

    Some movies didn’t need it but then there are many that are simply amazing in 3D.

    But ever since 4K came out 3D movies have been hard to find. Especially now that Walmart no longer stocks any 3D movies in store. I’m sure this is to drive up sales of 4K.

    Unfortunately consumers of 4K content are being taken for a ride. Not only are most films not true 4K, you aren’t even gaining any resolution unless you either nearly double your HD TV size when upgrading or sit half the distance away. This is the flaw of higher resolutions. The higher they go the larger the screen you’ll need or closer you’ll need to sit.

    We have a 55” 1080p 3D tv and sit about 12’ back. For 4K we would need at least an 85” screen or sit only 6’ away. We also have a 3D projector shooting on a 120” screen. Same result to move to 4K. Sit 6’ closer or have a rediculous sized screen.

    Not once have I ever heard any sales person explain this to anyone. They just adjust the picture settings of the TVs to intentionally make 1080p look worse than 4K.

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    • Stephen
      Stephen
      October 27, 2017 at 4:49 pm

      Hello Brandon, your experience with the 3D and TV issues is unfortunate but we can factually state (from numerous tests and reviews of working 4K TVs) that 4K is no scam. the resolution improvements are notable and even in smaller TVs with 49 or 50 inch screens, possibly even smaller depending on how closely you place yourself in front of them. A user absolutely does not need to buy a gigantic 4K TV to appreciate its improved display performance and the extra pixels are really there. As for 4K Blu-ray movies. Yes, many are upscaled to 4K from what was more of a native 2K resolution at time of filming but they do look better than a lot of 1080p content. Likewise for most 4K TV’s own upscaling engines being used on streamed/cable HD content, in quality TVs, they do improve picture quality at least to some degree. On 3D I can’t say much since we don’t examine it in detail for most of our reviews.

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  • Mick McGregor
    November 30, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    I love 3D and so do my friends who always come around to watch them when i get a new film.I got a 4K suhd LG tv and a 4K uhd Panasonic bluray recorder both 3D players, surely the manufacturers should not market 4K as 3D if its not going to happen? I think any 4K 3D films would make money after all thats how i found this article ,looking for 4K 3D bluray DVDs.If people are willing to pay £25 -£35 for ltd edition DVDs then why not 3D UHD DVDs
    This sucks big time i finally get the 3D tv i could never afford untill now only to be told iv been cheated by the industry.If i cant get 3D on future TVs then i wont upgrade and thats new sales lost to the industry !

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  • James E Williams
    May 1, 2018 at 2:16 pm

    I knew 3d was coming to a end last year like the 3D fans we will mist it I never seen it at the movies some had said that 3D at home was better.

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  • Danja
    July 9, 2018 at 12:14 am

    Why can’t they just satisfy both customers 3D and 4K! I love going the movies to get to see a big blockbuster movie like Avengers: Infinity War Where it’s in 3D and 4K at the same time! I have a 3D tv at home. I would really love if I can get a 3D tv that plays in 2160p like in the theaters. I think they just don’t want to spend the money it will cost to build a tv like that. Whenever you sale two different items you will have a group of people that like one better than the other (one group likes 3D, the other likes 4K!) I like both so please don’t forget about one group because they bought more than the other. All customers matter, I hate they’re thinking of getting rid of 3D TVs & bluray, why?

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